Evidence given by alternative means
[1-360] Outline of chapter
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[1-361] Introduction
Proceedings
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[1-365] Prescribed sexual offence proceedings
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[1-368] Retrials and subsequent trials — prescribed sexual offence proceedings
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[1-370] Domestic violence proceedings
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[1-372] Proceedings involving accused as a “vulnerable person”
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[1-375] Government agency witnesses
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[1-378] Commonwealth proceedings
Measures and directions
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[1-380] Directions and warnings generally
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[1-382] Giving of evidence by CCTV
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[1-385] Suggested direction — use of CCTV or other alternative arrangements
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[1-388] Recorded out-of-court representations and statements
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[1-390] Suggested direction — evidence in the form of a recording
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[1-392] Suggested direction — child complainant’s/witness’s evidence given at pre-recorded hearing
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[1-395] Suggested direction — use of witness intermediary
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[1-398] Support person
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[1-400] Suggested direction — presence of a support person
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[1-402] Person appointed for unrepresented accused
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[1-405] Suggested direction — person appointed for unrepresented accused
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[1-408] Audio-visual link for evidence given from another location
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[1-410] Implied power to order alternative measures
[1-361] Introduction
The Criminal Procedure Act 1986 (CPA) and other legislation enables categories of witnesses in various types of proceedings to give their evidence through alternative or additional measures to those ordinarily employed in the court room. These include giving evidence via audio visual link from a different location, the use of support persons, and the use of pre-recorded representations given to police. This chapter sets out the available measures according to the particular proceeding and category of witness involved.
Proceedings
[1-365] Prescribed sexual offence proceedings
Chapter 6, Pt 5, Div 1 of the CPA applies to proceedings in respect of a prescribed sexual offence, including committal proceedings and where a person is charged with either the prescribed sexual offence alone or together with any other offences: s 290. “Prescribed sexual offence” is defined in s 3(1) and includes the specific offences outlined in s 290A.
Different provisions will apply depending on whether the witness is a child complainant, a child witness, an adult complainant, an adult tendency evidence witness, or an adult witness with a cognitive impairment.
(a) Child complainant
The procedure for the giving of a child complainant’s evidence in a prescribed sexual offence proceeding is governed by Ch 6, P 5, Div 1A, CPA — see [5-400] Pre-recorded evidence in child sexual offence proceedings — Child Sexual Offence Evidence Program (CSOEP).
A “child” means an individual aged less than 18 years of age: s 294E. A child complainant (aged under 16 years at the time of giving evidence: s 306P(1)) is also a “vulnerable person”: ss 3(1), 306M(1). Consequently, in addition to the requirements in Ch 6, Pt 5, Div 1A, the measures set out in Ch 6, Pt 6, Div 1, 3 and 4, also apply. Division 4 applies to “personal assault offences” (s 306ZA(a)), defined as including all offences under Pt 3 of the Crimes Act 1900, which include sexual offences: s 306M(1).
If required by the regulations, police interviews with a vulnerable person are to be recorded (s 306Q) and a vulnerable person may give evidence of previous representations made to police via this recording (s 306R, s 306S(1)(a)).
Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
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Evidence must be given by way of pre-recorded hearing | ss 294G, 294I | Court may order otherwise if in interests of justice: s 294G(2), considering factors including (3) and (4) |
Direction required: s 294O:
See suggested direction at [1-392] |
Evidence in chief may be given by way of child complainant’s recorded interview with police | s 294I(1)(a) in conjunction with s 306U | Court may order otherwise if in interests of justice: s 306Y |
Direction required: s 306X:
See suggested direction at [1-390] |
Other evidence (additional evidence in chief, cross-examination and re-examination) may be given by audio visual link | s 294I(1)(b) and (6) in conjunction with s 306U(3) | n/a | n/a |
Alternative measures including screens in court or planned seating arrangements must be made available if audio visual link/CCTV not permitted, available or chosen | s 306ZH(3) | Witness can still elect to give evidence in the courtroom: s 306ZH(4) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4):
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
Evidence must be given in presence of witness intermediary (where appointed under s 294M(3)) | s 294N(1) | n/a |
Direction required: s 294O:
See suggested direction at [1-395] |
Have support person present |
s 306ZK(2) (protection extends to persons aged 16 years or over but under 18 years: s 306ZK(7), cf s 306P) s 306ZK operates in addition to s 294C: s 294C(7) |
Person may be present as an interpreter, to assist complainant with giving evidence due to any impairment, or for providing other support: s 306ZK(3) Accused may object if choice of support person is likely to prejudice the right to a fair hearing: s 30ZK(3A) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(3):
See suggested direction at [1-400] |
No examination (examination in chief, cross-examination or re-examination) by unrepresented accused | s 306ZL(2) | Complainant may be examined by a person appointed by the court: s 306ZL(2) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4):
See suggested direction at [1-405] |
(b) Child witness
Chapter 6, Pt 6 provides protective measures for child witness (aged under 16 years at the time of giving evidence: s 306P(1)). A “child” means an individual aged less than 18 years of age: s 294E. A child witness is a “vulnerable person”: s 306M(1). Division 4 of Pt 6 applies to “personal assault offences”, defined as including all offences under Pt 3 Crimes Act (s 306M), which include sexual offences.
If required by the regulations, police interviews with a vulnerable person are to be recorded (s 306Q) and a vulnerable person may give evidence of previous representations made to police via this recording (s 306R, s 306S(1)(a)).
Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
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Evidence in chief may be given by way of child witness’s recorded interview with police | s 306U(1) | Court may order otherwise if in interests of justice: s 306Y |
Direction required: s 306X:
See suggested direction at [1-390] |
Other evidence (additional evidence in chief, cross-examination and re-examination) may be given by closed-circuit television | s 306U(3) in conjunction with s 306W and s 306ZB(1) |
A child aged 16 or above but under 18 may give evidence via CCTV if they were under 16 at the time the charge was laid: s 306ZB(2) Court may order CCTV measure not to be used if satisfied there are special reasons in the interests of justice: s 306ZB(4), (5) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(1)
See suggested direction [1-385] |
Alternative measures of screens in court or planned seating arrangements must be made available if audio visual link/CCTV not permitted, available or chosen | s 306ZH(3) | Witness can still elect to give evidence in the courtroom: s 306ZH(4) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
Evidence must be given in presence of witness intermediary (where appointed under s 294M(3)) | s 294N(1) | n/a |
Direction required: s 294O:
See suggested direction at [1-395] |
Have support person present | s 306ZK(2) (protection extends to persons aged 16 years or over but under 18 years: s 306ZK(7), cf s 306P) |
Person may be present as an interpreter, to assist witness with giving evidence due to any impairment, or for providing other support: s 306ZK(3) Accused may object if choice of support person is likely to prejudice the right to a fair hearing: s 306ZK(3A) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(3)
See suggested direction at [1-400] |
No examination (examination in chief, cross-examination or re-examination) by unrepresented accused | s 306ZL(2) | Witness may be examined by a person appointed by the court: s 306ZL(2) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4)
See suggested direction at [1-405] |
(c) Adult complainant
Chapter 6, Pt 5, Div 1 of the CPA provides protective measures for adult complainants in sexual offence proceedings. There are additional measures for the evidence of such witness in the event of retrials or subsequent trials (see [1-368] Retrials and subsequent trials — sexual offence proceedings).
Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
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Entitled to give evidence via CCTV from remote location, or use screens or planned seating arrangements in court | ss 294B(3) | Court may order CCTV measure not to be used if satisfied there are special reasons in the interests of justice: s 294B(5), (6) |
Direction required: s 294B(7)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
Have support person present | s 294C |
If complainant is a vulnerable person, s 306ZK also applies: s 294C(7) Accused may object if choice of support person is likely to prejudice the right to a fair trial: s 294C(4) |
If complainant is a vulnerable person, direction under s 306ZI(3) required:
See suggested direction at [1-400] |
No examination (examination in chief, cross-examination or re-examination) by unrepresented accused | s 294A(2) | Complainant may be examined by a person appointed by the court: s 294A(2) |
Direction required: s 294A(7)
See suggested direction at [1-405] |
(d) Tendency or “sexual offence witness”
In some circumstances the Crown will elect to call witnesses other than the complainant to establish alleged tendency. They are sometimes referred to as “tendency witnesses”, though the CPA uses the term “sexual offence witness”, defined in s 294D(2) as any witness in the proceedings (other than the complainant) against whom a prescribed sexual offence is alleged to have been committed by the accused, or against whom the accused allegedly committed acts that would constitute such an offence if they were to occur in NSW at the time of the commencement of proceedings.
The protections in Pt 5, Div 1 apply to a sexual offence witness in the same way they apply to an adult complainant: s 294D(1). If the witness previously gave evidence as a complainant in a prescribed sexual offence proceeding, a recording of that evidence (the “original evidence”) may be tendered as that witness’s evidence in the current proceedings.
Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
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Recording of witness’s evidence (evidence in chief, cross-examination, and re-examination) as a complainant in previous proceedings may be tendered as witness’s evidence in current proceedings | s 294CA(2) |
Once recording admitted, witness not compellable to give further evidence about same matters unless it is necessary to clarify matters, address new information, or if it is otherwise in interests of justice: s 294CA(5) Recording may not be admitted if court considers accused would be unfairly disadvantaged: s 294CA(8) |
n/a |
Entitled to give evidence via CCTV from remote location, or use screens or planned seating arrangements in court | ss 294B(3) | Court may order CCTV measure not to be used if satisfied there are special reasons in the interests of justice: s 294B(5), (6) |
Direction required: s 294B(7)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
Have support person present | s 294C |
Entitlement to support person applies even if complainant gives evidence by CCTV or under any alternative arrangements under s 289V, s 294B or Pt 6: s 294C(2)(a) Accused may object if choice of support person is likely to prejudice the right to a fair trial: s 294C(4) |
n/a |
No examination (examination in chief, cross-examination or re-examination) by unrepresented accused | s 294A(2) | Witness may be examined by a person appointed by the court: s 294A(2) |
Direction required: s 294A(7)
See suggested direction at [1-405] |
(e) Cognitively impaired witness
Chapter 6, Pt 6 provides protective measures for cognitively impaired witnesses. A cognitively impaired person is a “vulnerable person”: s 306M(1). A “cognitive impairment” is defined at s 306M(2) and includes persons with an intellectual disability or a developmental disorder (including an autism spectrum disorder): see s 306M(2) for a full list of conditions. The alternative measures available under Pt 6 must only be applied to the evidence of a cognitively impaired person if the court is satisfied the facts of the case may be better ascertained if the person’s evidence is given in such a manner: s 306P(2).
Division 4 of Pt 6 applies to “personal assault offences”, defined as including all offences under Pt 3 Crimes Act (s 306M), which include sexual offences.
If required by the regulations, police interviews with a vulnerable person are to be recorded (s 306Q) and a vulnerable person may give evidence of previous representations made to police via this recording (s 306R, s 306S(1)(a)).
Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
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Evidence in chief may be given by way of witness’s recorded interview with police | s 306U(1) | Court may order otherwise if in interests of justice: s 306Y |
Direction required: s 306X:
See suggested direction at [1-390] |
Other evidence (additional evidence in chief, cross-examination and re-examination) may be given by closed-circuit television | s 306U(3) in conjunction with s 306W and s 306ZB(1) | Court may order CCTV measure not to be used if satisfied there are special reasons in the interests of justice: s 306ZB(4), (5) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(1)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
Alternative measures of screens in court or planned seating arrangements must be made available if audio visual link/CCTV not permitted, available or chosen | s 306ZH(3) | Witness can still elect to give evidence in the courtroom: s 306ZH(4) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
Have support person present | s 306ZK(2) |
Person may be present as an interpreter, to assist witness with giving evidence due to any impairment, or for providing other support: s 306ZK(3) Accused may object if choice of support person is likely to prejudice the right to a fair hearing: s 306ZK(3A) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(3)
See suggested direction at [1-400] |
No examination (examination in chief, cross-examination or re-examination) by unrepresented accused | s 306ZL(2) | Witness may be examined by a person appointed by the court: s 306ZL(2) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4)
See suggested direction at [1-405] |
[1-368] Retrials and subsequent trials — prescribed sexual offence proceedings
Chapter 6, Pt 5, Div 3 and 4 of the CPA apply to new trials of sexual offence proceedings following the hearing of the original trial.
Division 3 applies where a new trial is ordered following a successful appeal of conviction from the original trial (a “retrial”).
Division 4 applies where a new trial is listed after the original proceedings were discontinued or the jurors could not reach a verdict (a “subsequent trial”).
The special measures apply to complainants or “special witnesses”: a sexual offence witness, a witness who is cognitively impaired, or a witness who is under 18: s 306A for Div 3; s 306H for Div 4. A record of the complainant or witness’s evidence from the original proceedings (evidence in chief, cross-examination and re-examination) is called “original evidence”: s 306B(2); s 306I(2).
RETRIALS | |||
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Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
Complainant’s “original evidence” may be tendered in new trial | s 306B(1) |
Prosecutor to give written notice to accused and court at least 21 days before new trial: s 306B(3) Complainant not compellable to give further evidence in proceedings once record of original evidence admitted: s 306C |
See the suggested direction at [4-377] Suggested direction — complainant not called on retrial where the complainant’s evidence in an earlier trial is played in a retrial |
Special witness’s “original evidence” may be tendered in new trial | s 306B(1) |
Prosecutor to give written notice to accused and court at least 21 days before new trial: s 306B(3) Court can decline to admit record of original evidence if accused would be unfairly disadvantaged: s 306B(5D) Once recording admitted, witness not compellable to give further evidence about same matters unless it is necessary to clarify matters, address new information, or if it is otherwise in interests of justice: s 306B(5A) Special witness not compellable to give further evidence in proceedings once record of original evidence admitted: s 306C |
See the suggested direction at [4-377] Suggested direction — complainant not called on retrial, for adaptation where the witness’s evidence in an earlier trial is played in a retrial |
SUBSEQUENT TRIALS | |||
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Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
Complainant’s “original evidence” may be tendered in new trial | s 306I(1) |
Prosecutor to give written notice to accused and court at least 21 days before new trial: s 306I(3) Court can decline to admit record of original evidence if accused would be unfairly disadvantaged: s 306I(5) Once record of original evidence admitted, complainant not compellable to give further evidence about same matters unless it is necessary to clarify matters, address new information, or it is otherwise in the interests of justice: s 306J(1) |
See the suggested direction at [4-377] Suggested direction — complainant not called on retrial where the complainant’s evidence in an earlier trial is played in a subsequent trial |
Special witness’s “original evidence” may be tendered in new trial | s 306I(1) |
Prosecutor to give written notice to accused and court at least 21 days before new trial: s 306I(3) Court can decline to admit record of original evidence if accused would be unfairly disadvantaged: s 306I(5) Once record of original evidence admitted, special witness not compellable to give further evidence about same matters unless it us necessary to clarify matters, address new information, or it is otherwise in the interests of justice: s 306J(1) |
See the suggested direction at [4-377] Suggested direction — complainant not called on retrial, for adaptation where the witness’s evidence in an earlier trial is played in a subsequent trial |
[1-370] Domestic violence proceedings
(a) Complainant
Chapter 6, Pt 4B provides protective measures for complainants in domestic violence proceedings. A domestic violence complainant is the person against whom the domestic violence offence is alleged to have been committed, but does not include a person who is a “vulnerable person”: s 3. A “domestic violence offence” is defined in s 11 of the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007.
If police question a complainant as soon as practicable after the commission of the alleged domestic violence offence, the complainant may consent to the questions and answers being recorded as their “recorded statement”: s 289D.
Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
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Entitled to give evidence in chief via “recorded statement” given to police | s 289F(1) | Recorded statement must contain statement from complainant confirming their age and that the representations in the statement are true: s 289F(3) |
Direction required: s 289J
See suggested direction [1-390] |
Must be available for cross-examination and re-examination in the court room or via alternative arrangements permitted by the CPA | s 289F(5) | n/a | n/a |
Entitled to give evidence via audio visual link from remote location, or use screens or planned seating arrangements in court | s 289V(1) | Court may order audio visual link measure not to be used if satisfied there are special reasons in the interests of justice: s 289V(3), (4) |
Direction required: s 289V(5)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
No direct examination (examination in chief, cross-examination or re-examination) by unrepresented accused | s 289VA(2) | Complainant may be examined by a person appointed by the court or through use of court technology: s 289VA(2) |
Direction required: s 289VA(8)
See suggested direction at [1-405] |
Entitled to have support person | s 306ZQ(1) |
Person may be present as an interpreter, to assist complainant with giving evidence due to any impairment, or for providing other support: s 306ZQ(2)(b) Accused may object if choice of support person is likely to prejudice the right to a fair hearing: s 306ZQ(3) |
No formal jury direction required by legislation but may be prudent to give general direction regarding support persons. See suggested direction at [1-400] |
(b) Witness who is a “vulnerable person”
A witness who is under 18 years of age or cognitively impaired is a “vulnerable person” in proceedings involving “personal assault offences”, which include offences under Pt 3 Crimes Act and offences under ss 13 and 14 of the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007: s 306M(1). Where domestic violence offence proceedings involve charges that fall within the definition of “personal assault offences”, a witness who is a “vulnerable person” is entitled to the protective measures under Ch 6, Pt 6.
If required by the regulations, police interviews with a vulnerable person are to be recorded (s 306Q) and a vulnerable person may give evidence of previous representations made to police via this recording: ss 306R, 306S(1)(a).
Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
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Evidence in chief may be given by way of witness’s recorded interview with police | s 306U(1) | Court may order otherwise if in interests of justice: s 306Y |
Direction required: s 306X:
See suggested direction at [1-390] |
Other evidence (additional evidence in chief, cross-examination and re-examination) may be given by closed-circuit television | s 306U(3) in conjunction with s 306W and s 306ZB(1) | Court may order CCTV measure not to be used if satisfied there are special reasons in the interests of justice: s 306ZB(4), (5) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(1)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
Alternative measures of screens in court or planned seating arrangements must be made available if audio visual link/CCTV not permitted, available or chosen | s 306ZH(3) | Witness can still elect to give evidence in the courtroom: s 306ZH(4) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
Have support person present | s 306ZK(2) |
Person may be present as an interpreter, to assist complainant with giving evidence due to any impairment, or for providing other support: s 306ZK(3) Accused may object if choice of support person is likely to prejudice the right to a fair hearing: s 306ZK(3A) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(3)
See suggested direction [1-400] |
No examination (examination in chief, cross-examination or re-examination) by unrepresented accused | s 306ZL | Witness may be examined by a person appointed by the court: s 306ZL(2) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4)
See suggested direction at [1-405] |
[1-372] Proceedings involving accused as a “vulnerable person”
An accused who is a “vulnerable person” because they are aged under 18 or are cognitively impaired (s 306M(1)) is entitled to some limited protective measures in Ch 6, Pt 6.
If required by the regulations, police interviews with a vulnerable person are to be recorded (s 306Q) and a vulnerable person may give evidence of previous representations made to police via this recording (s 306R, s 306S(1)(a)).
Measures | Section | Additional information | Jury direction required |
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May be permitted to give evidence via CCTV | s 306ZC(2) | For child accused, court can only order CCTV if satisfied child will suffer harm if required to give evidence in ordinary way, or if facts will be better ascertained if evidence given via CCTV: s 306ZC(3) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(2)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
May be permitted a support person | s 306ZD(2)(b) | Person may be present as an interpreter, to assist with giving evidence due to accused’s impairment, or for providing other support: s 306ZD(2)(b) | Direction required: s 306ZI(3)
See suggested direction at [1-400] |
Alternative measures of screens in court or planned seating arrangements must be made available if audio visual link/CCTV not permitted, available or chosen | s 306ZH(3) | Accused can still elect to give evidence in the courtroom: s 306ZH(4) |
Direction required: s 306ZI(4)
See suggested direction at [1-385] |
[1-375] Government agency witnesses
A “government agency witness” includes police witnesses who give corroborative evidence of the evidence in chief of other police witnesses, and staff of the NSW Health Service who have provided an expert report or are called to give expert opinion evidence in the proceedings: s 5BAA(5) of the Evidence (Audio and Audio Visual Links) Act 1998. Such witnesses must give their evidence via audio-visual link from any location in NSW, provided the necessary links are available: s 5BAA(1), (2). The court can direct otherwise if satisfied the evidence is likely to be contentious and it is in the interests of the administration of justice to appear in person in court: s 5BAA(3), (4).
For criminal proceedings in the NSW Supreme Court, Practice Note No SC Gen 15 requires parties to advise the court at least 10 working days before the hearing date whether government agency witnesses will be giving evidence via AVL.
[1-378] Commonwealth proceedings
Part IAD of the Crimes Act 1914 (Cth) provides protective measures for vulnerable witnesses in Commonwealth criminal proceedings. The Crimes Amendment (Strengthening the Criminal Justice Response to Sexual Violence) Act 2024 (Cth) commenced on 11 December 2024 and amended Pt IAD to expand these protections.
The Commonwealth offences to which Pt IAD applies include war crimes, slavery, trafficking in persons, child sexual offences outside Australia, offences involving child abuse material outside Australia, torture, and offences relating to the use of postal or carriage services involving sexual activity with children. The full list of relevant offences is at s 15Y(1) and (2). Proceedings relating to such offences are called a “child proceeding” where they involve a child complainant (s 15Y(1)) or a “vulnerable adult proceeding” where they involve an adult complainant (s 15Y(2)): s 15YA.
A “child complainant” or “child witness” includes a person who was aged under 18 years at the time of the of alleged offence, but does not include a person now aged 18 years or over if they inform the court they do not wish to be treated as a child complainant or child witness: s 15YAC and s 15YAD, respectively.
A “vulnerable adult complainant” is one who is alleged to be a victim in a s 15Y(2) vulnerable adult proceeding, unless they inform the court they do not wish to be treated as a vulnerable adult complainant: s 15YAA.
A court may declare a person to be a “special witness” if satisfied they are unlikely to be able to satisfactorily give evidence in the ordinary manner due to a disability, or due to intimidation, distress or emotional trauma arising from age, cultural background, relationship to a party to the proceedings, the nature of the evidence or some other relevant factor: s 15YAB. In a special witness proceeding, the court may order that specific protective measures under Pt IAD are to apply to a special witness: s 15YAB(3).
Child complainants, child witnesses, vulnerable adult complainants and special witnesses are all classed within the term “vulnerable person” and each of the protective measures under Pt IAD apply to this category of witness.
Measures | Section | Additional provisions | Jury direction |
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Evidence in chief may be given by way of witness’s recorded interview with police | s 15YM(1) |
If recording admitted, witness must be available for cross-examination and re-examination: s 15YM(4) Admissibility of the evidence given by the recording is not affected by the fact that it is evidence of previous representations: s 15YN(1). But the court may refuse to admit the recording adduced under s 15YM: s 15YN(3) |
No warning to be given to jury that the law requires greater or lesser weight to be given to the evidence because it is given via recording: s 15YQ(1)(c) |
May be permitted to have their evidence (evidence in chief, cross-examination and re-examination) recorded at an “evidence recording hearing” | s 15YDB(1) |
Witness may give their evidence via CCTV from another room: s 15YDC(2)(a) Recording of evidence must be admitted as the witness’s evidence at the hearing of the proceeding: s 15YDD(2). Court may refuse to admit the recording: s 15YDE If recording admitted, witness not compellable to give further evidence unless it is necessary to clarify the evidence, give proper consideration to new information, or in the interests of justice: s 15YDG(1) |
n/a |
Evidence must be given by CCTV | s 15YI | Exception: if witness is at least 16 years of age and chooses not to; if there are no CCTV facilities available; or if the court orders it is not in the interests of justice: s 15YI(1), (2) | No warning to be given to jury that the law requires greater or lesser weight to be given to the evidence because it is given via CCTV: s 15YQ(1)(b) |
Alternative measures of screens in court or planned seating arrangements must be made available if evidence is not to be given via recorded evidence hearing or CCTV | s 15YL(1), (2) | A witness aged 16 years or over may choose not to give evidence under these alternative arrangements: s 15YL(3) | No warning to be given to jury that the law requires greater or lesser weight to be given to the evidence because it is given via alternative arrangements: s 15YQ(1)(b) |
Witness may be permitted to have a support person if giving evidence outside the courtroom | s 15YJ(1)(c) | Court may order a person be present to act as an interpreter, to assist witness with any difficulties in giving evidence associated with a disability, or to provide other support: s 15YJ(1)(c) | n/a |
Witness may be permitted to have support person if giving evidence in person or at an evidence recording hearing | s 15YO |
Court may determine it is not appropriate for the selected person to accompany the witness as a support person: s 15YO(2) Support person must not influence witness’s answers or disrupt the questioning: s 15YO(4) |
No warning to be given to jury that the law requires greater or lesser weight to be given to the evidence because there is a support person: s 15YQ(1)(d) |
No cross-examination by unrepresented accused or child complainants or vulnerable adult complainants |
s 15YF(1) (child complainants) s 15YFA(1) (vulnerable adult complainants) |
Witness may be examined by a person appointed by the court: s 15YF(2), s 15YFA(2) | n/a |
No cross-examination by unrepresented accused of vulnerable persons unless court gives leave | s 15YG(1) | Court must be satisfied vulnerable person’s ability to give evidence under cross-examination will not be adversely affected: s 15YG(2) | n/a |
No cross-examination that is inappropriate or unnecessarily aggressive | s 15YE(1) | Court to have regard to witness’s personal characteristics (age, culture, mental capacity, gender) in determining if question is inappropriate or unnecessarily aggressive: s 15YE(2) | n/a |
Evidence given in person must be recorded | s 15YLA(1) | Court must be satisfied the evidence could be used in another proceeding and the witness consents to the recording: s 15YLA(1) | n/a |
Witness’s recorded evidence from “original proceedings” may be admitted in a new trial (where new proceedings are ordered after the original proceedings are discontinued or successfully appealed) |
s 15YNA, s 15YNB |
Prosecutor to give written notice to accused and court at least 21 days before new trial: s 15YNB(1) If recording admitted, witness not compellable to give further evidence in new trial unless it is necessary to clarify the evidence, give proper consideration to new information, or in the interests of justice: s 15YNC(1) |
No warning to be given to jury that the law requires greater or lesser weight to be given to the recorded evidence: s 15YNE |
Measures and directions
[1-380] Directions and warnings generally
Directions or warnings about alternative means of giving evidence can be given at any time. In R v DBG [2002] NSWCCA 328 at [23], Howie J held it was “highly preferable” that such warnings be given either immediately before or immediately after the evidence is given rather than wait until the summing up. However, in Long (a pseudonym) v R [2021] NSWCCA 212, the court, though endorsing R v DBG that this course was preferable, held there was no rule to that effect and stated the timing of warnings and whether, and how often, they should be repeated, remains within the trial judge’s discretion [7], [73]–[74].
The statutory requirements regarding warnings or directions to juries in Commonwealth proceedings are limited, but do not appear to preclude giving directions in the terms suggested below when particular alternative measures are employed.
[1-382] Giving of evidence by CCTV
The court retains a discretion as to whether a witness is permitted to give evidence via CCTV or audio-visual link. It is generally not sufficient to deny use of such technology merely because the jury might form the impression the accused is or was violent: Sudath v R [2008] NSWCCA 207 at [28]–[29]. See also R v Pirrello, Pirrello & D’Agostino [2019] NSWSC 1476 at [29] where it was held that while there may be some inconvenience in a witness giving evidence via AVL, inconvenience falls well short of prejudice, and even less so unfairness. There may be some disadvantage to an accused person who does not see the face of a witness giving evidence, but where counsel can undertake that role on an accused’s behalf, such disadvantage as may arise falls well short of prejudice, much less impermissible prejudice.
[1-385] Suggested direction — use of CCTV or other alternative arrangements
The [complainant/witness] in this case has given [or, will give] evidence by CCTV [or other alternative means]. This is standard procedure in cases of this type. You should not draw any inference against the accused or give the evidence any greater or lesser weight simply because it is given in this manner. You should assess the evidence in the same way as you assess the evidence of any other witness in the case.
The above direction should be adapted where the accused is a vulnerable person and is permitted by the court to give evidence by CCTV or other alternative arrangements.
[1-388] Recorded out-of-court representation and statements
Objectives
It was observed in R v NZ (2005) 63 NSWLR 628 at [170] that the objectives of permitting recorded statements given to police to be used as a witness’s evidence in chief was to reduce the trauma for children giving evidence and also to assist in maintaining the reliability of the account from contamination or a failure of recollection over time.
Competence
If it is submitted at trial that at the time of the recorded interview the vulnerable person (in accordance with s 13(1) Evidence Act 1995) either lacked a capacity to understand a question about the fact, or had an incapacity to give an intelligible answer to a question about the fact, the trial judge is “obliged to make a finding” about the vulnerable person’s capacity at the time of the interview: Tikomaimaleya v R (2017) 95 NSWLR 315 at [54], [56]. For that purpose the judge can observe the recording of the interview itself and also obtain information from other sources in accordance with s 13(8): Tikomaimaleya v R at [56].
Evidence Act exemptions
The Ch 6 CPA provisions generally apply in addition to the Evidence Act 1995 (NSW): for domestic violence complainants, see s 289E; for vulnerable persons, see s 306O.
However, the hearsay rule does prevent recorded out-of-court representations being admitted in proceedings: s 289I(1) (domestic violence complainants; opinion rule also does not prevent admission); s 294CA(10) (sexual offence witnesses); s 306B(4) (retrials); s 306I(4) (new trials); s 306V(1) (vulnerable person; opinion rule also does not prevent admission).
Pre-requisites for admission
With respect to recorded statements of vulnerable persons, where the parties are in agreement that a witness is cognitively impaired and the facts of the case may be better ascertained if they gave their evidence via the alternative measures contained in Ch 6, P 6, this is a sufficient basis for the court to be satisfied the pre-requisite in s 306P(2) is met to allow the recorded statement to be admitted: Dogan v R [2020] NSWCCA 151 at [16]–[17]. The Court in Dogan v R held the provision for allowing the tender of a recorded police interview under s 306S(1)(a) was for the benefit of the vulnerable person, whereas the limitation under s 306P(2), that the Court should be satisfied that the facts may be “better ascertained” the tendering of the interview, was “primarily a protection for the benefit of the accused. In those circumstances there is no reason why the court should not reach the required satisfaction upon the basis of the parties’ consent.”: at [17].
Preferred procedure
In R v NZ, the evidence in chief of the complainant and other child witnesses was given substantially by way of pre-recorded interviews with police officers. Further examination in chief and cross-examination were conducted by way of video link. The videotapes were given to the jury without objection, along with the other exhibits when they retired to consider their verdict.
Although the appeal was dismissed, the Court of Criminal Appeal held that the recording should not have been admitted into evidence and should not have been left with the jury during deliberations: R v NZ at [194]–[195]. The procedure generally to be followed where evidence is given in chief by way of a recording was set out in the following terms at [210]:
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The videotape evidence of a Crown witness should not become an exhibit and, therefore, should not be sent with the exhibits to the jury on retirement;
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Any transcript given to the jury under s 15A should be recovered from the jury after evidence of the witness has been completed;
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It is for the discretion of the trial judge how a jury request to be reminded of the evidence in chief of the witness should be addressed;
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It would be inappropriate for the judge to question the jury as to the purpose for which they wish to have the tape replayed;
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If the tape is to be replayed or the transcript of the tape provided to the jury, the judge should caution the jury about their approach to that evidence when the tape is being replayed to them or the transcript of the tape returned to them in terms to the effect that “because they are hearing the evidence in chief of the complainant repeated a second time and well after all the other evidence, they should guard against the risk of giving it disproportionate weight simply for that reason and should bear well in mind the other evidence in the case”;
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The judge should consider whether the jury should be reminded of any other evidence, for example the cross-examination of the witness at the time that the tape is replayed or sent to the jury room, if that step is considered to be appropriate.
The court emphasised that it did not intend by the above expression of views to lay down any rule of practice or procedure to be followed in every case where the evidence in chief of the witness has been given by the playing of a videotape: R v NZ at [210].
A similar approach was taken by the High Court with respect to corresponding Queensland legislation in Gately v The Queen (2007) 232 CLR 208. In that case it was held that the recording of a witness’s interview with police should not have been admitted as an exhibit: at [3], [93]. The court also held that it would seldom be appropriate to give the jury unrestricted access to the recording in the jury room: at [3], [94], [96]. Rather, if the recording is to be replayed, this should take place in court in the presence of the trial judge, counsel and the accused: at [3], [96]. Hayne J added that, “depending on the particular circumstances, it may be necessary to warn the jury of the need to consider the replayed evidence in the light of countervailing evidence or considerations relied upon by the accused”: at [96].
See also AB (a pseudonym) v R [2019] NSWCCA 82 and CF v R [2017] NSWCCA 318 where the principles in Gately v The Queen were applied.
The use of transcripts
If the jury is given a transcript of the recording (expressly permitted under ss 289K, 294J(6)(b), 306Z), it would be prudent to warn the jury consistent with the terms of the legislation including that the recording is the actual evidence.
Consideration should also be given to whether a transcript is to be provided whilst the recording is played or provided after it is played upon request. In the context of the legislation and what has been discussed above under the heading “Preferred procedure”, caution should be exercised by the Court around the use of transcripts in this area. It may be prudent to raise with counsel in the absence of the jury, and before the playing of the recording, what mechanism will be put in place as to the use of the transcript including whether it will be retrieved from the jury or similar. In addition, consideration should be given to raising with counsel what directions should be given around the jury’s use of the transcript at that time and/or at a later stage of the trial.
[1-390] Suggested direction — evidence of recorded statements
The direction below should be adapted to the circumstances of the case. The suggested direction for recorded statements specifically of child complainants/witnesses in sexual offence matters is incorporated into [1-392] Suggested direction — child complainant’s/witness’s evidence given at pre-recorded hearing.
The law provides that [cognitively impaired people/domestic violence complainants] may give evidence in a certain way. [This witness’s] evidence, or the main part of it, has been recorded, and we will shortly have the recording played to you. It is important that you pay attention when listening to evidence contained in a recording. As with all witnesses, once a witness has completed giving their evidence, they do not return to court at some later point in time to repeat their evidence. Accordingly, do not expect that evidence contained in a recording will be repeated by being replayed.
[If appropriate: After that’s finished, [the witness] will give evidence by CCTV [or other alternative means]. They won’t actually appear in the courtroom.]
This is standard procedure for [children/cognitively impaired persons/domestic violence complainants]. You should not draw any inference against the accused or give the evidence any greater or lesser weight simply because it is given in this manner. You should assess their evidence in the same way as you would assess the evidence of any other witness.
[1-392] Suggested direction — child complainant’s/witness’s evidence given at pre-recorded hearing
You are about to see [the complainant’s/child witness’] evidence. It consists of an interview with a police officer that was recorded (called a child interview) and questions asked of the witness in court before [myself/another judge] that were recorded. The/A Crown Prosecutor/Trial Advocate, the accused’s counsel and their instructing solicitors and the accused were all present when [the complainant/child witness] was asked questions in court.
When the recording of the evidence in court took place, the evidence of [the complainant/child witness] was taken using an audio-visual link between the room [the complainant/child witness] was in and the courtroom. [If appropriate: At that time, a support person and a court/sheriff’s officer were in the same room as [the complainant/child witness].]
Each of these things I have spoken about does not mean you treat the evidence any differently to the evidence of any other witness you hear in the courtroom. This is all standard procedure. You should not draw any inference against the accused because the evidence is being given in this way or give [the complainant’s/child witness’] evidence any greater or lesser weight. You assess their evidence in the same way as you assess the evidence of any of the other witnesses in the trial.
As with the evidence of any witness, it is important that you pay attention to the evidence and understand that all witnesses only give their evidence once. Witnesses do not return to court to repeat their evidence after it has been given and nor should you have an expectation that the evidence contained in the recording(s) will be played again.
This direction is also located at [5-420] Suggested direction — pre-recorded evidence of the chapter [5-400] Pre-recorded evidence in child sexual offence proceedings — Child Sexual Offence Evidence Program (CSOEP).
[1-395] Suggested direction — use of witness intermediary
You will see there is another person with [the complainant/child witness] on the recording/on both recordings. This person is referred to as a witness intermediary. The witness intermediary is appointed by the court and their role is to assist [the complainant/child witness] with communication if that is required. This is all standard procedure. You should not draw any inference against the accused or give [the complainant’s/child witness’s] evidence any greater or lesser weight simply because of the presence of this other person.
This direction is also located at [5-420] Suggested direction — pre-recorded evidence of the chapter [5-400] Pre-recorded evidence in child sexual offence proceedings — Child Sexual Offence Evidence Program (CSOEP).
The direction should be adapted where the witness is not a child but has difficulties with communication and a witness intermediary has been appointed under s 294M(3)(b).
[1-398] Support person
Although adult complainants and sexual offence witnesses in prescribed sexual offence proceedings, domestic violence offence complainants, vulnerable accused persons, and vulnerable persons in Commonwealth proceedings are all permitted to have support persons present when they are giving evidence, there is no statutory requirement for a jury direction or warning to be given regarding this measure in the way it is required for “vulnerable persons” under the CPA.
For consistency and to avoid jury speculation, it may be considered appropriate to fashion a direction in such cases that corresponds with the suggested direction below for “vulnerable persons” — children and cognitively impaired persons.
[1-400] Suggested direction — presence of a support person
You may notice that there is person sitting beside the witness as the witness gives evidence. It is standard procedure for a [child/complainant/cognitively impaired person], when giving evidence, to be accompanied by a person of their choice. You should not draw any inference against the accused or give the evidence any greater or lesser weight simply because of the presence of this other person.
Where a support person is utilised by a vulnerable person to assist them with any difficulty with giving evidence due to an impairment or disability (as permitted by s 306ZK(3)(b)), consider should be given to whether it is more appropriate to employ the suggested direction where a witness intermediary is used, appropriately adapted to the particular case (see [1-395] Suggested direction — use of witness intermediary).
[1-402] Person appointed for unrepresented accused
A person appointed to ask witnesses questions in cross-examination on behalf of an unrepresented accused need not be a lawyer; the appointment of a Court Registrar or Deputy Registrar is also suitable. The person appointed should be permitted to be present when witnesses are given evidence in chief and a list of proposed questions for cross-examination does not need to be supplied beforehand to the trial judge: Clark v R [2008] NSWCCA 122. See also MS v R [2017] NSWCCA 252.
See also [1-800] Self-represented accused regarding general court procedure and directions for proceedings involving unrepresented accused persons.
[1-405] Suggested direction — person appointed for unrepresented accused
As the accused is self-represented, the law is that the cross-examination of the complainant is to be conducted by a person appointed by the Court. In that context, [insert name of person], has been appointed by the Court and will ask questions of the witness in cross examination. This is standard procedure. You should not draw any inference against the accused or give the evidence any greater or lesser weight simply because it is given in this manner. You should assess the evidence in the same way as you assess the evidence of any other witness in the case.
Part IAD of the Crimes Act 1914 (Cth) does not require a direction to be given to the jury regarding the appointment of persons to ask questions on behalf of unrepresented accused. However, it would be prudent to adapt the above suggested direction for relevant Commonwealth proceedings.
[1-408] Audio-visual link for evidence given from another geographical location
The Evidence (Audio and Audio Visual Links) Act 1998 permits evidence to be taken via audio link or audio visual link from elsewhere in NSW, non-participating States and foreign countries (other than New Zealand) (Pt 1A), or from participating States (Pt 2). Links to New Zealand are dealt with in Pt 6 Trans-Tasman Proceedings Act 2010 (Cth).
The court must not make a direction for evidence to be received by audio link or audio visual link if (ss 5B(2), 7(2)):
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the necessary facilities are unavailable or cannot reasonably be made available
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the evidence can more conveniently be made in the courtroom, or
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the direction would be unfair to the party opposing the direction.
In the case of links from elsewhere in the State, non-participating States and foreign countries (other than New Zealand), an additional basis for refusing a direction is where the court is satisfied that the person in respect of whom the direction is sought will not give evidence: s 5B(2)(d). Furthermore, in cases where the link is proposed from elsewhere in NSW, the court must not make a direction unless the party making the application satisfies the court that it is in the interests of the administration of justice for the court to do so: s 5B(3). Even where none of the excluding circumstances is established, the court retains a discretion to refuse to make a direction: Australian Securities and Investments Commission v Rich (2004) 49 ACSR 578 at [12].
Evidence may be taken via video link or telephone from New Zealand provided the necessary facilities are available: ss 51 and 52 Trans-Tasman Proceedings Act 2010 (Cth); Derbas v R [2007] NSWCCA 118 at [35].
In R v Wilkie [2005] NSWSC 794, Howie J held that, in the case of an application for evidence to be received by way of audio visual link from a foreign country, there is no precondition to the making of a direction based on the witness having a good reason for not giving evidence in person: at [12]. Difficulties in transmission — for example, a delay in receipt between image and sound — will not necessarily result in the rejection of evidence sought to be received by way of audio visual link: Derbas v R at [39]. For an overview of the way in which some of the issues pertaining to the use of audiovisual evidence, including the materiality of the evidence, the assessment of credit, management of documents in cross-examination, technological difficulties and the length of cross-examination: see Australian Securities and Investments Commission v Rich at [19]–[43].
In R v Ngo (2003) 57 NSWLR 55 the court addressed the question of unfairness under s 5B(2)(c) at [108]:
Making a direction that the evidence of an accusing witness be received by audiovisual link external to the courtroom must, by its very nature, involve unfairness to the accused because it deprives him or her of a face-to-face confrontation with the witness. The provision cannot mean any unfairness, however small. The Court must consider the degree and effect of the unfairness. In a criminal trial, the best measure is whether the making of a direction will cause the trial to be an unfair one to the accused. An accused person has the fundamental right to a fair trial. A direction should not be made if it would mean that an accused could not have a fair trial.
The option of receiving evidence via audio visual link from outside Australia under s 5B extends to proceedings for Commonwealth offences and does not constitute a breach of s 80 of the Constitution: R v Wilkie (2005) 64 NSWLR 125.
Commonwealth proceedings
Terrorism and related offences
Part I AE Crimes Act 1914 (Cth) governs the taking of evidence by audio visual links in proceedings for Commonwealth terrorism and related offences (as defined in s 15YU). On application by the prosecutor, the court must permit evidence to be given by way of video link unless it would have a “substantial adverse effect on the right of a defendant in the proceedings to receive a fair hearing”: s 15YV(1); R v Lodhi [2006] NSWSC 587 at [48]. The onus is on the defendant to establish that the prosecutor’s application should be refused and there is no obligation on the prosecution to establish a good reason for evidence being taken by video link: R v Lodhi at [51], [61]. On application by the defendant, the court must permit evidence to be given by way of video link unless it would be “inconsistent with the interests of justice”: s 15YV(2). In either case, reasonable notice of the application must be given and video-link facilities must be available. These provisions do not apply to the defendant: s 15YV(1)(d) and (2)(d). A direction or order for the receipt of evidence by audio visual link is subject to appellate review: s 15YZD.
Child sexual offences outside Australia and related offences
In addition to the alternative measures under Pt IAD of the Crimes Act available for child complainants and child witnesses in Commonwealth proceedings involving offences such as slavery, trafficking in persons and child sexual offences outside Australia, there are also provisions for witnesses in such proceedings to give their evidence via audio-visual link from an overseas location under Div 279 Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth). The court may, on application by a party to the proceeding, direct that evidence from a witness (other than the defendant) be taken by video link from outside Australia if satisfied that facilities are available and it is in the interests of justice that evidence be taken in this way. The court must also be satisfied that attendance of the witness at court would cause unreasonable expense or inconvenience, or cause the witness psychological harm or unreasonable distress, or cause the witness to become so intimidated or distressed that the witness’s reliability would be significantly reduced: s 279.2. Sections 279.1–279.7 provide for the technical requirements for video link, the application of laws about witnesses, and the administration of oaths and affirmations.
Directions
New South Wales proceedings
There is no NSW legislative requirement for any direction or warning to be given when evidence is received by way of audio or audio visual link. However, in R v Wilkie [2005] NSWSC 794, a case in which the accused opposed the use of the audio visual links for two crucial Crown witnesses whose credit was in issue, Howie J said at [72]–[73]:
It seems to me at this point in the proceedings against the accused that appropriate directions and warnings to the jury would cure much of the asserted prejudice that would flow from the use of audiovisual means of adducing the evidence of the two witnesses. For example, the jury would be told, if it were necessary to do so, that as the credit of the witnesses was a crucial issue in the resolution of the charges against the accused, any difficulty they might encounter in assessing the credibility of the witness by reason of the fact that the evidence was adduced before them by the use of a video link should be resolved in favour of the accused. So if they thought that demeanour might be important and they were having difficulty in properly assessing the demeanour of the witness by the restrictions or limitations placed upon that task because of the use of the video link, that might be a matter that would give rise to a doubt about whether they could rely upon the witness and, therefore, may give rise to a doubt that the prosecution had proved its case.
These directions and any other that the accused thought necessary to address deficiencies in the evidence or the difficulties in cross-examination caused by the video link procedure would simply be to remind the jury of the practical limitations of the onus of proof in the circumstances of these two witnesses giving evidence by video link. Much of the criticism of the procedure overlooks the fact that deficiencies or difficulties encountered with the evidence of the witnesses caused by the use of the video link should rebound on the Crown and the jury simply need to be reminded of this fact in fair but forceful terms.
Commonwealth proceedings
If evidence is given by way of video link under s 15YV Crimes Act 1914 (Cth) for Commonwealth terrorism and related offences, the judge “must give the jury such direction as the judge thinks necessary to ensure that the jury gives the same weight to the evidence as if it had been given by the witness in the courtroom or other place where the court is sitting”: s 15YZ(1). In R v Lodhi [2006] NSWSC 587, Whealy J said at [67]:
Section 15YX requires the Court to give such direction as the judge thinks necessary to ensure that the jury gives the same weight to the evidence as if it had been given by the witness in the courtroom or other place where the court is sitting. But in an appropriate case where, for particular reasons, there is a need to remind the jury of the importance of the demeanour of a witness this can be done. Moreover, again in an appropriate case, the jury may be directed to take into account in assessing demeanour any particular matters emerging from the manner in which evidence has been given through the video link. Such a direction would not conflict, in my view, with the direction required by s 15YZ.
[1-410] Implied power to order alternative measures
In addition to the cited statutory provisions available for particular witnesses to give evidence by alternative means, the courts have implied powers related to the exercise of their jurisdiction. Such powers exist to serve the administration of justice: John Fairfax & Sons Ltd v Police Tribunal of NSW (1986) 5 NSWLR 465 at 481; BUSB v R (2011) 80 NSWLR 170 at [27], [34]. Such an order will only be made where it is necessary to do so: Grassby v The Queen (1989) 168 CLR 1 at [21]. “Necessary” in this context means that it should be “subjected to the touchstone of reasonableness”: Pelechowski v The Registrar, Court of Appeal (NSW) (1999) 198 CLR 435 at [51]. The test of necessity should be applied with varying degrees of strictness and, where the relevant implied power impinges upon a fundamental principle of the administration of criminal justice, such as the right to confront accusers, the test must be applied with a higher level of strictness: BUSB v R at [33].
In BUSB v R, the scope of the power was discussed in connection with the power to make orders for the screening of witnesses. In that case, it was accepted that the District Court did have such a power: at [24], [51]. The court confirmed that such an order could be made for the purpose of protecting national security: at [42], [62]. The court distinguished between the existence of the power on the one hand and the “facts and matters pertinent to the exercise of the discretion” which will vary from case to case: at [42]–[44], [48]–[50].
The exercise of such powers should be “carefully circumscribed”: R v Ngo [2001] NSWSC 339 at [26]. See also R v Ngo [2003] NSWCCA 82 at pp 69ff which dealt with a similar issue in the context of witnesses being permitted to give evidence remotely without the accused being able to see them while they gave their evidence.